ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

topic posted Thu, February 17, 2005 - 2:22 PM by  andrea
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thanks for making this tribe
i only recently got onto this whole gig and am loving it. i was just looking for an arabic tribe only last month i think and there was nothing.
i grew up in saudi arabia and just got back from a surf trip in morocco with my honey. good times.
my sister and father are both fluent in arabic, but i got shafted on that track. i'm a gonna find me a tutor who can get me started.
i had this fodor's arabic phrase book that was, surprisingly enough, quite helpful.
language nerds, unite!
drea
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  • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

    Thu, February 17, 2005 - 2:35 PM
    right on! welcome!

    how was the surfing? i want to go to morocco to surf! where did you go? do you think it will be hard to do a surf trip as a woman travelling alone?

    were the moroccans easy to talk to? do you think they will be patient with a beginner?

    great to have you on board!
    • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

      Thu, February 17, 2005 - 3:35 PM
      yeah thanks for the tribe..

      i'm on a similar boat to andrea, although i'm from spain my parents are moroccan but i never got a hold of the language. i've been to morocco several times and can understand quite a lot of people talking but i cant hold a conversation very well.

      peace.
      m
      • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

        Thu, February 17, 2005 - 10:58 PM
        You all probably know the first big trick with learning arabic which is that you have at least two languages going.

        The written fusha (pure, classical) arabic which was revived as the language of pan-arabism by Lebanese christians at the end of the 19th Century. They wanted to assert ethnic identity in the midst of the Ottoman empire, which defined itself by the milet system where people were governed in terms of religion. And the Lebanese Christians wanted to flip the script and get more concessions for Arabs. Now the formal language of radio, tv and writing, it ironically (given that it was revived by Christians as means of asserting ethnic Arab identity) has been claimed by some muslim extremists as the proper way to speak.

        And then you there are the colloquiall dialects, which is where the music is at, and everyday passions of life and all. Don't get me wrong, Fusha is beautiful, a truly elegant poetic language developed by bedouin poets, used in the Qur'an, and used in great Arabic litterature, but when I was in Morocco, I found that sometimes if you were speaking Fusha to everyday people you might as well be speaking Chinese.

        As for me I know a little bit of a couple of dialects of Arabic. I used to be an ethnomusicologist specializing in North African music, so I studied a bit in Morocco and later in France. i also learned some Levantine Arabic: Palestinian, Lebanese and Syrian dialects, and picked up some Egyption, meen ma bithabbish ba'ad el-musi'a misria? I also studied some Gulf Arabic and even know a teeny bit of 'Iraqi Arabic.

        I hope I don't seem to pedantic, I guess I had an itch to scratch linguistically! I would be happy to help out with handy Moroccan phrases for you all. and would be grateful to try to chat with someone who speaks it better than I. I tend to mix colloquiallisms with Fusha, and would love to learn more darija as Moroccans call it.

        la bes 'alaikum. sahha! had-il-qabila fikra mezyana bi-zaff!
        • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

          Mon, July 11, 2005 - 9:13 PM
          Marhaba y'all.... Shukran Jazeelan, indeed.

          I too thank you for this tribe. I'm very much a language enthusiast. Studied Spanish, French, German, etc.... with varying degrees of fluency. Then became intrigued with non western (Latin or Germanic) languages and began interest in Japanese, and little Russian, and even a little self study in Arabic. (Just Berlitz tapes, Egyptian Dialect.) I love it! It's perhaps the most exotic, yet beautiful and colorfully expressive language my ears have yet heard. I guess that's one of the things that intrigues me most about any language is how it sounds.

          I did manage to learn some phrases which would be helpful if traveling, but I'm not traveling at the moment and don't have any plans to in the future. (Although one of my greatest dream adventures is to scuba dive in the Red Sea. someday. Inshallah.) What I'm really interested in, is learning viable spoken phrases, I guess commraderic, friend making phrases. I'd totally have to immerse myself in a class situation to even begin to approach arabic script. So spoken phrases is the best I can do at the moment.

          I'm hopeful the nice folks in this tribe will help a fellow human, and language enthusiast to better one's own understanding of the language, cultures, music, traditions, etc... of arabic people and their beautiful language.

          Minfadlak. Shukran.
  • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

    Fri, July 15, 2005 - 10:33 AM
    just a dumb american here that happens to look Egyptian. I got a cd (Plimseur) on Egyptian Arabic and did fine until cd#6 then things just started t sound slurred. Then my Egyptian Dance teacher told me I sounded like a newspaper.

    Help

    a duh what is "hello" and "thank you" how are they properly pronounced
    • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

      Wed, July 20, 2005 - 6:29 AM
      Ha - "sounds like a newspaper." I've feared the same thing studying the "academic" Arabic (the proper name escapes me) & sounding like a snob or overly educated. My first Arabic lessons were taught by a Kurd while living in the UAE & she would teach us what the locals said as well as the "proper" language.

      I was taught that مرھب 'marhaba' is hello, even in the UAE (this probably varies from country to country) and that شكرأ 'shukran' is thank you. "Shukran" worked for me in the UAE & any other time I've encountered an Arabic speaking person, but I think it's considered a bit formal, more like a full "thank you" instead of a casual "thanks."
      • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

        Thu, July 21, 2005 - 7:51 AM
        yeah, shukran is fuller, but not snobby.
        yislamu (thank your hands) is often said. actually, it's said in conjunction w/ shukran, so who knew?
        that's sweet you have the arabic lettering. show off ;).
      • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

        Thu, July 28, 2005 - 6:37 AM
        Hey there, how Did you type in the arabic script?

        Has anyone here taken classes at the University in Irfane? I hear the skiing nearby is good :)

        shukran,
        mo
        • Re: inserting Arabic script

          Fri, July 29, 2005 - 11:39 AM
          =] It's quite easy. It's in your fonts. There are two ways to access it.

          From your Accessories folder in your standard Windows Programs menu, click "system tools" and you'll find a character map. Many of the regular fonts, e.g. Arial, have Arabic script. From here you can form your words, copy & then paste. In my experience, not all characters transfer perfectly, e.g. my name here at Tribe. When I try to paste my full name, I get some funky squares, so I stick with the short one.

          From MS Word, select the Insert menu & then "Symbol." This will open the character map to insert characters directly into the document. The script will automatically connect (in my experience).
  • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

    Fri, July 22, 2005 - 3:03 PM
    I am sooo new, but I am trying to learn> Could anyone reccomend a good beginners Arabic book to buy??I would appreciate it

    Tha Raven
    • Re: ahlan wa' sahalan, baby!

      Sat, July 23, 2005 - 7:40 AM
      this depends on whether or not you want to speak Fus-Ha, the "proper" Arabic that is only written or spoken on news programs. They speak a dialect pretty close in Saudi, but then again, when are you going to go to Saudi?
      Find a tutor. There are some books out there, but my sister has the list, so I can't give you names. Sorry!

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